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Those who refuse to resign when they are completely lost

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13th July 2008, 05:25pm
#1
by karpovenko
Buenos Aires Argentina
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 23

I am playing a Modern Benoni tournament and I feel that this tourney will last a long, long time. I already have an opponent who refuses to resign his game and uselessly continues to move his pieces aimlessly in a completely lost battle. He's a rook, bishop and pawn down in an endgame where he has only his deserted lonely king and some scattered easy-to-snatch pawns. Apparently, he doesn't believe in my ability to give him mate so he carries on gaily and totally unaware of his ridiculous stubborness. My question to all of you is: What shall we do with this kind of 'players'? Chess community! I am looking forward to reading your opinions. Thank you!

13th July 2008, 05:35pm
#2
by neurionb
Thousand Oaks United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 92
I can't begin to count how many threads like this there are. It is up to each player to decide whether or not to keep playing, and it is his right to. Whether it's bad ettiquite is really a question of opinion, but if you're that far ahead, just mate him as quick as you can and move on.
13th July 2008, 05:36pm
#3
by Vibovit
London United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 42

I think it's okay only at begginer's level (like mine) - even if I'm obviously losing, I'm not going to resign because I want to learn by watching how it's being done. Also there is a slight hope for a stalemate if the impatient opponent loses concentration.
13th July 2008, 05:38pm
#4
by neurionb
Thousand Oaks United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 92
13th July 2008, 05:41pm
#5
by De-Lar
Sycamore United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 383

ha ha ha ha ha your opponent refuses to resign.

 

Who cares though? If it is a won position, it'll take you all of 5-10 seconds to evaluate the position and make the correct move.   wasting what? 1 minute of your life finishing out the game?


13th July 2008, 05:44pm
#6
by tbierig
St. Paul, Minnesota United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 342
 I prefer the Old Benoni.
13th July 2008, 05:59pm
#7
by Ellbert
Baltimore United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 88
Be the teacher.
13th July 2008, 06:08pm
#8
by nimzovich
Angels Camp United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 227

I am sure there have been times in my playing career that I have been on the giving and receiving end of resignations (or checkmates) that can not be categorized as premature.

While at times I feel frustrated, I try and rise above the emotion and act with class.

I really, really like Ellbert's response: "Be the teacher."

Bravo! 


13th July 2008, 06:29pm
#9
by bbwolf1
Raleigh United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 145
The ability to resign is to benefit the person who is losing. If someone really wants to be tortured before they are killed, so be it.  Don't get frustrated, just finish them off as efficiently as you can.
13th July 2008, 06:38pm
#10
by shazbot
md United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 2
Unfortunately you're just going to have to put up with it! I'm going through the same thing on Chessworld
13th July 2008, 07:49pm
#11
by EricSeverson
Orinda, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 4
I don't really like when the other player resigns. It's much more gratifying to win by checkmate than to win by them resigning or their time running out.
13th July 2008, 08:41pm
#12
by wormrose
Lake Tahoe, NV United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 168
Those are the rules of the game. Those are the conditions of play. If your opponent has lost then prove it on the board. These games take time. Look for the quickest possible way to end it. Your opponent could have a multitude of reasons for playing on. I'm sure you are a good player but be careful! I've won games like you are describing just because I kept playing. The hardest game to win is the won game.
14th July 2008, 08:34am
#13
by Duffer1965
Alexandria, VA United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 226

Whatever frustration you feel at your hapless opponent's decision not to resign, imagine the frustration of others at seeing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over the exact same thread, which leads to the exact same discussion back and forth.

If you want to know what the chessworld is going to do about this sort of vile, thoughtless oppenent, just read any of the numerous threads on this topic, which have beaten this horse until there's not even any flesh left on its dead carcass. 


14th July 2008, 08:39am
#14
by artfizz
Herts. United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 292

I often play on when I'm 20 points ahead (or, more usually, 20 points behind) - simply because I find the conversation so absorbing.


22nd July 2008, 07:50am
#15
by artfizz
Herts. United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 292

If chess.com wanted to encourage the behaviour of not playing on in 'hopeless' situations, they could reward the early-resigner with 'courtesy' points (not rating points) when the system detects that this has occurred.


22nd July 2008, 07:58am
#16
by natrix
Southern Florida United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 225

Duffer1965 wrote:

Whatever frustration you feel at your hapless opponent's decision not to resign, imagine the frustration of others at seeing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over the exact same thread, which leads to the exact same discussion back and forth.


And imagine the further frustration of others reading quotes of those who are frustrated about issues that we're alll seeing over, & over, & over, & over, & over, & over. hehe


22nd July 2008, 08:04am
#17
by Evil_Homer
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 929

I see when you got beaten by Neurionb you were very rude too him in your message. Perhaps your opponent was scared of what would happen if he won/lost, so was delaying the inevitable till his courage had been fortified.


22nd July 2008, 08:11am
#18
by diskamyl
International
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 163

to whoever does this, and whoever stands behind this act by the hopeless argument that "well if it's legal, you cannot critize it":

I wish those people all the legal frustration, boredom and bad behaviour for the rest of their life.


22nd July 2008, 08:15am
#19
by drmr4vrmr
baguio Philippines
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 69

 I have a game now that is a sure win that may run maybe another 10 moves or so.

There are several possible reason for going on:

1. perhaps your opponent was not convinced of your ability to win & so is waiting 4 u to slip up. lol

2. its a tactical move... the opponents has hundred more games ongoing and wants to concede at the opportune time to take advantage of the point system.

3. wants to tick u off


22nd July 2008, 08:19am
#20
by artfizz
Herts. United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 292

How would it be if we had a set of protocols or conventions that supplemented the rules of chess? It could be called the Polite Protocol - (although we should ask other developers of Polite Protocols if they mind us using that name) or the Quick End Convention.

You could tick a box at the start of the game to indicate that you would abide by the QEC e.g. automatically resigning when more than 20 points behind - unless there are clear game-winning reasons for not doing so.

 


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